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I’m very saddened to hear that Ray Boltz has come out and admitted being homosexual.  This will send waves of controversy through the Christian community.  His divorce is final.  He is performing at a church that openly supports the LGTB (Lesbian, Gay, Transexual, Bisexual) lifestyle, and is now living a “normal gay life.”

The article is easily found online, and his website states he is performing at the aforementioned church.  I will not link to the article, as it’s posted on a gay online magazine (The Washington Blade), most filters will probably block the website.  There are excerpts easily found online.

How do I feel about this?  Well, I think it’s important that he took care of it to his family and friends, but I question the wisdom of Ray coming out publicly to a magazine.  I wish he would have kept this more private.  He had some very powerful and popular gospel songs (Thank You, I Pledge Allegiance, and more).  The lifestyle he now leads is clearly spoken against in Scripture and does not mesh with his past ministry.  They are separate issues, and now one, in my opinion, has tarnished the other.  Christians should still treat Ray with love and respect, and pray for him.

  1. September 14, 2008 at 12:47 am

    I think it’s weird that you’d be saddened that Mr. Boltz is telling the truth. I always thought telling the truth was part of the foundation of real Godliness. (And no, homosexuality is not clearly spoken against in the Scriptures. At best, it’s questionable.)

  2. September 14, 2008 at 6:38 am

    Romans 1:27 is, in my opinion, clear in stating that men having lusts for other men is unnatural. That isn’t the only verse in the bible either. I am sad that he told the truth. I think it is important to tell the truth, but in this case, the truth contributed to a broken marriage, tarnished ministry, and an admittance that his sin is now okay with him, and that he is just going to accept it as allowed by God. My opinion on this matter hinges on my belief that God created men and women for each other, and sexual relations outside of that union are sin. If you don’t believe that, then I would expect you to disagree with me. I’m not gay bashing. I don’t hate gay people. I just think their actions are sinful, based on my knowledge of the bible.

  3. September 15, 2008 at 3:05 am

    I’d suggest researching what the bible REALLY says about Homosexuality at http://www.soulforce.org

    The word “homosexual” was added to English translation only 150yrs ago! Interesting.

  4. September 15, 2008 at 6:55 am

    It appears that the research I would have to do at soulforce.org would cost money.
    In addition to this, I would expect it to be biased, since it’s a pro-gay religious website. I’m not against researching information outside of the bible, but the bible is the final authority, and I know what I’ve read, and the overall message of the bible is that Man and Woman are made for each other (physically, reproductively, emotionally, etc.) and that any union outside of that spiritual and physical coupling doesn’t contribute to populating the earth, God’s plan for his people, is not a valid representation of the Bridegroom and his Bride, and is not part of God’s plan.

  5. michelleslate
    September 15, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Joelnafziger, you are correct. The Bible is clear… people will always go to lengths to justify their sin. I don’t hate gay people either. I have a lot of them as acquaintances. I do feel it is Biblically wrong, and they will have to answer to God for their actions, as I will answer for mine. We all have burdens to carry.

  6. Jeff
    September 15, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    I’m not saddened that Ray admitted he struggles with lust for men… I’m saddened that he has given in to that lust.

    I have desires that I struggle with. Telling others about those struggles 1) strengthens my relationship with them, and 2) keeps me accountable.

    Giving in to them does the exact opposite. If he says that “Hey, I’m struggling with this, but with God’s help I can overcome my fleshly desires”, that would encourage others. And by the way, the above statement works for homosexuality, adultery, pedophilia, and bestiality. Am I comparing all of those things? Well, no, but God does (the act, not the desire).

  7. Joel
    September 15, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Well said Jeff. I agree, I’m not upset that he has struggles, but that he gave into them and decided that now it’s no longer a problem, and God is fine with it. My initial statement wasn’t clear.

  8. September 15, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Thank Goodness that we live in a time and place where this GAY CHRISTIAN can say so. Many who have taken the time to study, find that homosexualty and the Bible are not at odds. I would like to take a quote from a letter written by a Gay Christian.

    “I cannot imagine any Bible-based Christian organization embracing a philosophy or doctrine which claims the New Testament Church must embrace the Laws of the Old Covenant given to the Jews. Embracing such laws would demand that modern Christians adhere to clearly identified restrictions on diet, worship, and apparel. I think most modern Christians would agree that we are no longer under the Old Testament Law and, therefore, citing Leviticus 18:22 as biblical proof that homosexuality is an abomination is not only irresponsible but inaccurate.

    If the Christian Church is going to cite Levitical Law as a mandate against homosexuality it must also prohibit the eating of pork, shrimp, and lobster (11:10-12); the planting of two kinds of seed in the field (19:19); wearing mixed fabrics (19:19); eating rare meat (19:26); and women leaving their homes during menstruation (20:18 ). The Christian Church would also be required to keep a traditional seventh day Sabbath (23:3).” I Corinthians 6:9 cites two Greek words, malakos and arsenokoites, to describe just some of the many sinful behaviors from which the early Christians had been delivered. These two words have been erroneously interpreted in recent Biblical translations to mean homosexuals. In fact, prior to the use of the word homosexual by the NASB translation in 1963, the word malakos had been translated as male sex slave (Vulgate), sexual perverts (RSV), and people with infamous habits (Jerusalem Bible).

    “The word malakos is literally translated as “soft ones” which Strong’s identifies as being of “uncertain affinity” and which would more accurately be defined as catamite or male temple cult prostitute. Arsenokoites may accurately be interpreted as Sodomite which, historically, refers to a person who indulges in violent, idolatrous, and pagan practices. It is also worth mentioning that St. Jermone (347-419A.D.) interpreted arsenokoites as “the purchased male sex slaves of men.” I think all Christians would agree (even those who are homosexual) that prostitution and violent sex acts, whether heterosexual or homosexual in nature, do not reflect Christ-like behavior.

    It appears that an ill-rooted prejudice against homosexuals has strongly influenced modern translations of the Bible which, in turn, has contributed to the all too common practice of assigning second-rate status to homosexual believers. This is most frequently evidenced by the slanderous from-the-pulpit-name-calling practiced by many preachers in many churches. This is unfortunate.”

  9. September 15, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Pastor Jabowa, the Roman’s passage I described above was written by Paul. In the new testament. Obviously about the past sins of men, but sin such as this just didn’t all of the sudden become NOT sin at Jesus’s death. Here are the English translations of the verse in parallel. How can all of the translations be inaccurate? I’m not trying to condense the argument down to one verse. But this is what the NT says.

    International Standard Version (©2008)
    In the same way, their males also abandoned their natural sexual function toward females and burned with lust toward one another. Males committed indecent acts with males, and received within themselves the appropriate penalty for their perversion.

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

    GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
    Likewise, their men have given up natural sexual relations with women and burn with lust for each other. Men commit indecent acts with men, so they experience among themselves the punishment they deserve for their perversion.

    King James Bible
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    American King James Version
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

    American Standard Version
    and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.

    Bible in Basic English
    And in the same way the men gave up the natural use of the woman and were burning in their desire for one another, men doing shame with men, and getting in their bodies the right reward of their evil-doing.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.

    Darby Bible Translation
    and in like manner the males also, leaving the natural use of the female, were inflamed in their lust towards one another; males with males working shame, and receiving in themselves the recompense of their error which was fit.

    English Revised Version
    and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.

    Webster’s Bible Translation
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

    Weymouth New Testament
    in just the same way–neglecting that for which nature intends women–burned with passion towards one another, men practising shameful vice with men, and receiving in their own selves the reward which necessarily followed their misconduct.

    World English Bible
    Likewise also the men, leaving the natural function of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men doing what is inappropriate with men, and receiving in themselves the due penalty of their error.

    Young’s Literal Translation
    and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in themselves receiving.

  10. September 15, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    It actually does seem that you are building your case on one scripture. Over 250 churches in the Phoenix area have studied and have since opened their doors to practicing homosexuals. Our church is one of them. We have many gay and lesbian couples in our fellowship in long term relationships (not to mention with children). My question is if you believe the bible is “anti-gay”, and you are not gay; why are you so concerned if others are. I mean, I’m sure you realize that there are many Pastors who teach and live things that you would consider out right sin, but you (or most) turn a blind eye to it. (If you need examples let me know)
    Well, I pray God’s best over you and here’s “our” view. oh, by the way. I tell our fellowship every week. “When you are faced with truth, you have a choice. To walk in ignorance or embrace truth.”

    In Romans 1, Paul is ridiculing pagan religious rebellion, saying that the pagans knew God but worshipped idols instead of God. To build his case — which he’ll turn against judgmental Jews in chapter 2 — he refers to typical practices of the fertility cults involving sex among priestesses and between men and eunuch prostitutes such as served Aphrodite at Corinth, from where he was writing this letter to the Romans. Their self-castration rites resulted in a bodily “penalty.” Catherine Kroeger comments in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society that ‘Men wore veils and long hair as signs of their dedication to the god, while women used the unveiling and shorn hair to indicate their devotion. Men masqueraded as women, and in a rare vase painting from Corinth a woman is dressed in satyr pants equipped with the male organ. Thus she dances before Dionysos, a deity who had been raised as a girl and was himself called male-female and ‘sham man.”‘ Kroeger continues: “the sex exchange that characterized the cults of such great goddesses as Cybele [Aphrodite, Ishtar, etc.] the Syrian goddess, and Artemis of Ephesus was more grisly. Males voluntarily castrated themselves and assumed women’s garments. A relief from Rome shows a high priest of Cybele. The castrated priest wears veil, necklaces, earrings and feminine dress. He is considered to have exchanged his sexual identity and to have become a she-priest.” As such, these religious prostitutes would engage in same-sex orgies in the pagan temples all along the coasts of Paul’s missionary journeys. ‘Paul’s conception of homosexuality,” as Thielicke points out, “was one which was affected by the intellectual atmosphere surrounding the struggle with Greek paganism.” Says Scroggs: “The illustrations are secondary to [Paul’s] basic theological structure” (Cf. 3:22b-23, Paul’s own summary), and Furnish adds: “homosexual practice as such is not the topic under discussion.” Doesn’t what Paul says in the beginning of Romans better describe these pagan orgies he meant to ridicule than it does the mutual love and support in the domestic life of lesbian and gay male couples today?

  11. September 15, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Pastor Jabowa,
    I can make a case with more than one scripture, but in this situation, as you mentioned the old law vs. the new, I deemed the NT passage appropriate. I do understand your viewpoint, and I’m not a gay hater, or anything like that, I hate those terms. I don’t hate anyone, I’m to love everyone, regardless of their sin. I’m anti-sin, even sin in my own life, and can’t condone sinful actions. I realize you don’t believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, and I do. I don’t believe either of us will ever change out viewpoint. I wonder if the bible doesn’t address homosexuality head one more because God’s plan for marriage was laid out so clearly in Genesis, and then throughout scripture in the passages about a man and wife, bride and bridegroom, male and female. It would be so much easier if God said marriage was fine between man and woman, man and man, or woman and woman, but he didn’t. Man and woman. So each of us, in his/her own heart, has to decide for himself what we believe based on scripture as a whole, and take that belief and pray about it. I have a peace about my belief. From what I know about God, and what I read in scripture, I honestly do not believe it’s God’s plan, and I believe that homosexuality is not how we were created, physically, spiritually, and emotionally. I know that a certain small percentage of the population would disagree with me, and I’m fine with that. I pray that we both can be right, but I fear that we both aren’t. One day we’ll find out!

  12. September 15, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    I would change my view (and have). I too used to believe like you, as I was taught how to read the Bible and how to respond. When all else failed I would pull the Adam and Eve card until I realized that homosexuality even exists in the animal kingdom.

    My sister got married and found out that she couldn’t have children, and I can’t imagine that being God’s devine plan. So I guess they are only married because of their lust toward one another.
    You are right “One day we’ll find out”, but that’s a different subject all together. I pray that you show mercy and love to those around you that are gay (believe me it’s more than a small percent. Keep sharing the cross and let God do the rest.
    In His Service,
    Pastor Jabowa

  13. tricia
    September 15, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    “The temptations in your life are no different from what others experience. And God is faithful. He will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand. When you are tempted, he will show you a way out so that you can endure.” 1 Corinthians 10:13
    “Temptation comes from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away.” James 1:14
    “What sorrow awaits the world, because it tempts people to sin. Temptations are inevitable, but what sorrow awaits the person who does the tempting.”Matthew 18:7
    Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. 1 Corinthians 5:18
    Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people. Ephesians 5:3
    Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. Hebrews 10:26

    The world is going to say sin is okay, don’t be ashamed. The Word says otherwise.
    Ray bought the lie.

  14. tricia
    September 15, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    He left his wife and children to pursue ‘desires’ he got tired of fighting. Christians can’t justify it.
    The rest of you can try. He’s wrong. It’s a shame.
    To imply “God made” him that way is his way of removing all responsibility from his shoulders, a cowardly way to go down. At least be honest, Ray. Admit you fell. Admit you don’t want to get up.

  15. KC
    September 16, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Ray Boltz has played into Satans hand with his lifestyle. Those of you who think homosexuality is accepted and approved of in The Holy Bible obviously have not read the same Bible I have read. If God was not against homosexuality, then He would not have destroyed the twin homosexual cities in the Bible.We must still love Ray Boltz but not his lifestyle.

  16. September 16, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Pastor J-

    How does homosexuality in the animal kingdom parallel and justify the existence and/or ratify the morality of homosexuality in human relationships? That argument seems to be at best sharply less scholasticly sound than your other points and at worst a non sequitur.

    I also don’t follow how your next quote (“…My sister got married and found out that she couldn’t have children, and I can’t imagine that being God’s devine plan. So I guess they are only married because of their lust toward one another…”)supports the understanding that the Bible can be understood to leave room for certain homosexual relationships. Is it a tongue in cheek comment comparing “biblically based attacks” on the validity of homosexual relationship as being analogous to saying that since lust is “biblically wrong” it is therefore an invalid basis for your sister’s marriage (since that’s the only other reason available for her to be married whereas she and her spouse can’t procreate?)


    is it a comment about the nature of God’s divine plan?

    In the flow of the posts/arguments it’s just not readily clear to me….

  17. Linda M
    September 16, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    If even animals demonstrate homosexuality, then that proves the LORD’s word once again when He says that just as man fell in the time of Adam and Eve, so did the creation…it was subjected to futility and no longer functioned in the original “good” way in which the LORD created it to. There is a way which seems right unto man, but that way, if it does not align itself with God’s holy standard, will lead to death. This is why Christians need to share with others – it was God’s mercy that put our feet upon the path that leads to life and we need to share this truth with others…although we will be accused of hatred, it is in reality the most loving thing to do when one speaks the truth of God in love. A train coming head on towards another cannot be dealt with by silencing your voice and withholding an imminent warning. Man’s heart is deceitfully wicked and the Bible says, Who can know it? We go to great lengths to even deceive ourselves and we need the grace of God to enable us to look in the mirror as the book of James says, see what kind of man we are, and not walk away and forget, but walk away and allow the LORD to change our hearts. If God tells us to live a certain way, surely He will empower us to uphold His standard. As we were originally made in the image of God, His desire after the fall of man is to re-create us into the image of His Son. God has put the knowledge of Himself in each one of us…the written law, as Romans 2 tells us, has been written in our hearts and the knowledge of right and wrong is there because of God’s love. We innately know when we lie that it is wrong, but due to the bent in our hearts, it is very easy to justify our sin and give it another name. When God says “For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened,” He is revealing the error of so many who have gone before us. His desire is that we would not only hear His voice, but that we would hear and obey…this is for our joy, this is for our freedom, this is for our blessing and most of all for our salvation and the glory of God. No matter how many laws come into existence protecting the homosexual lifestyle, God’s law against it will never be changed…and no matter how many laws are passed endorsing it, our consciences will never allow us to wholeheartedly embrace what the LORD has shed abroad in our hearts as wrong…He does so out of love because the broad path which most are on leads to destruction, and His desire is that we would allow Him to place our feet on the narrow path that leads to life…that leads to Him. Jesus gave His life for our sins, He took our place so that we might be set free from the power of sin and death…by then turning around and embracing a lifestyle which the LORD rejects is to make a mockery of the grace of God and the death of His beloved Son.

  18. tricia
    September 16, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Don’t compare human sexuality to animal sexuality. Animals eat their young, their feces. Good grief, people. What a ridiculous stretch. “Oh, animals do it so its okay if we do!” Absurd!

  19. Anonymous
    September 16, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    Animals also eat their young in many cases. Have at it brother . . . or do you just pick and choose the analogies that suit your desired end?

  20. September 16, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    My name is Rachael Parker and I am twenty years old.
    I am very hurt that “he has came out” I believe being a Christian is a battle… being gay… masturbating… stealing… all a sin if it’s a lifestyle or habit… you need to fight, even if you have to fight your whole life. I battle my own things, BUT I BATTLE. I am just sad that he gave up and he has accepted. It’s a lie straight from hell “I am gay, or born gay” it can be generational… things past down and now this is your battle, but Ray Boltz still needs to fight.
    I still love him, love the sinner hate the sin.

  21. Lee
    September 16, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Simply sin is sin. Yes, one day those who’ve believed a lie will have to face that fact. Choice, free will, is a alot to be responsible for. I love the Lord and choose to give up my desires to full fill His. The bible is VERY clear and simple to understand. It wasn’t written for a rocket scientist to try to figure out. I wouldn’t want to be the leaders of the churches that say homosexuality or same sex relationships are acceptable in the site of God. I can say this because unfortunetly that mistake was made in my life and I was healed. It’s a choice not a birth right. We have a very real enemy who is out to do one thing. Destroy what the Lord has for each and every single one of us. What truly is the tradgedy here is that leaders professing to know Christ refuse to get on thier knees and fast and seek the Lord for truth. It would be evident if that happened. Scripture wasn’t created to justify ones selfish desires. God didn’t create Adam & Adam in the beginning. He created Adam & Eve. God gave Eve to Adam because he was lonely. He didn’t give Adam, Chuck. The devil is doing his job and it’s getting more obvious who’s listening to him. Love full fills what Christ came to do. Reach the lost and mature the saints. Not lead His people into darkness. Truly this is a tradgedy. Ray Boltz has made a choice. He ultimately will be responsible before the Lord for that choice and for the lives his decision will effect. Yes, Ray should be prayed for, but the lifestyle he nor anyone chooses to live outside of what our Heavenly Father has designed, has placed themselves in the path of the enemy, and the only way out of it is to ask the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness then walk out thier salvation. We do have a loving, faithful, God. But we also have a righteous, holy God. Church, wake up!

  22. Dinah
    September 17, 2008 at 1:19 am

    While it was Joel that wrote the following, doesn’t it sound very much in its principle what Ray Boltz said?

    “So each of us, in his/her own heart, has to decide for himself what we believe based on scripture as a whole, and take that belief and pray about it. I have a peace about my belief. From what I know about God, and what I read in scripture, I honestly do not believe it’s God’s plan, and I believe that homosexuality is not how we were created, physically, spiritually, and emotionally. I know that a certain small percentage of the population would disagree with me, and I’m fine with that. I pray that we both can be right, but I fear that we both aren’t. One day we’ll find out!”

    And, the following from a religious radio broadcast I heard today (not verbatim): Christians spend 90% of their time worrying over the 10% difference they have with other Christians. PERHAPS the world would change if they’d spend 90% of their time on the 90% they DO agree on.

  23. September 17, 2008 at 7:05 am

    Dinah, unfortunately, we can still decide what we believe, but in this case, Ray has decided to believe something that is considered a sin by God, as not sin.

    What if the 10% that we don’t agree on are doctrinal or salvation issues? Wouldn’t that be worth debating? If they aren’t, then yes, it’s silly.

  24. tricia
    September 17, 2008 at 7:19 am

    There will be a few who will run along beside Ray and say “Wow buddy I’m so proud of you for being honest.” But the majority of people who read Ray’s remarks of justification for falling away were heartsick. One more in the family has quit the race.

  25. September 17, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Pastor? Jabowa states:
    “Over 250 churches in the Phoenix area have studied and have since opened their doors to practicing homosexuals.” My friend, acceptance by the masses and even what used to be fundamentally sound churches doesn’t mean that this sin of homosexuality should be accepted today. The bible (KJV) says:
    Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Unfortunately this “many” spoken of will include those who sincerely think they are on their way to heaven. The bible bears this out in Matthew chapter 7 in which our Lord declares:
    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    Moreover, there is certainly more than one passage in the bible that deals with the sin of homosexuality and calls it exactly that. Pastor Jabowa also asks: “My question is if you believe the bible is “anti-gay”, and you are not gay; why are you so concerned if others are. I mean, I’m sure you realize that there are many Pastors who teach and live things that you would consider out right sin, but you (or most) turn a blind eye to it. (If you need examples let me know) The reason why we point out what God declares as sin in his word is because he tells us in Titus chapter 1.
    Tts 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
    Tts 1:10 ¶ For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Tts 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. Tts 1:12 One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. Tts 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
    We must rebuke sin, but not in a malicious or hateful way, realizing that we too are in need of constant forgiveness which is readily accessible to the repentant. It isn’t unloving to rebuke a sinner – in fact it is more cruel to not say anything, or to have someone who knows you are sinning against God to not show you scripturally where you are doing just that. Any true believer in Christ has been indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God and will with his aid understand what the difference is between good and evil. It may well be that we are indeed living in the last days where men shall call good (the TRUTH of God’s word) evil, and evil (man’s subjective idea of truth and sensual indulgence) good. I pray sincerely that the God of all Truth will open your eyes to the lies you have bought into and the extra burden you will bear in judgement as a “Pastor” who may be leading others astray!

  26. Alfonso Nin
    September 17, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    I used to be gay, and lived a gay life for about 9 years and embraced the belief that one can be and Christian… but I did not find happiness there and it only served to push me away from God… how can I live a life that it centered on flesh and self-gratification, and at the same time claim to follow Jesus, and carry the Cross… narrow is the path…
    We can justify anything but the word stands, we are in the last days, now I attend a support group part of Exodus International and also go to counseling, we are all broken and affected by sin…. all, we all, mine was just more clear to see after a while of pain, loneliness and dark nights… There are many other who have walked away from this lifestyle for more than 30 yrs for the sake of Jesus…

  27. September 17, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    I suggest if you are struggling and find that being gay is not all that “gay” and happy, but more loneliness and pain, and that something is missing… Jesus still the one who came to heal the broken places, and restore us into the imgage of our Father… Seek help, like I did…
    See Exodus International Ministries, webiste is “www.exodus.to” YOU ARE NOT ALONE… seek help.

    Joel thanks for letting us post this comments here, you should put a link to Exodus in this page!

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  29. Andy
    September 17, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Thanks for being on the frontlines of this conversation. Unfortunately this conversation, while argued logically and biblically, is actually an emotional one. There are some still looking for answers but most of seeking justification. The Gay lifestyle will be a sin as long as God is God. He does not change. I do not fear the gay movment, I fear the God who said that this is not what he created us for.

  30. Anonymous
    September 17, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Wow Joel! Way to stick to your guns in this extreme debate! I believe that my Jesus who died on the cross for our sins has given each of us a sense of right and wrong that coincides with our freedom of choice. With sin, we’ve been given a concience that twings everytime we do something “wrong.” People who give into temptation know that it’s wrong. If homosexuality was an accepted practice in God’s eyes, why isn’t it an accepted practice in America’s eyes? When the majority of people (by far) approach homosexuality as a “sin”, even many non-believers, wouldn’t that be a tell-tale sign that it actually IS a sin? As a Christian, I trust that my Lord steers me in the correct path, allowing me to make my own decisions, some that are good and some that are bad. But, I ALWAYS know which was which!! You don’t have to be a Christian to know the difference between right and wrong. Sad situation for the family most of all…it’s too bad that after 30 years of marriage, he’s JUST coming to the realization that he’s gay. I pray for his family and friends.

  31. Glenda
    September 17, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    I just found out about Ray Boltz “coming out” It was mention at out prayer meeting tonight. No one critized him, but everyone said we should pray for him and his family. I agree. His old songs are “amazing, awesome, and inspiring”. I’ve sang many of them myself at church. The Bible is clear about “men having desires for other men” and the Bible is the final authority. God said, I believe it. That’s the end of it! We should really pray for him. He will really have a hard time of it now, especially since Christians can be very “unforgiving” Maybe he’s going through a “mid-life crisis”? Only God knows.

  32. Brandon
    September 17, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    For everyone who thinks homosexuality is O.K., name one verse in the Bible to back it up.

  33. Denise
    September 18, 2008 at 11:30 am

    I agree with those of you who say that the bible clearly states that it is WRONG! He gave into his sin. So, should men that lust after women give into temptation and just sleep around and commit adultery!?? That’s how God made them right! And this “church” for gays and lesbians is just plain WRONG! Why not go ahead and have a church for Murders, or thieves or adulterers? No different. ARG

  34. Andrew
    September 18, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Jesus talks about many topics in the New Testament that cut right to the core of most people in the mainstream Christian church of today. However, most churches accept heterosexuals just as they are without question of whether they are following Jesus’ teachings exactly, because they understand their “heart.” The reason mainstream churches accept heterosexuals wherever they are in life (divorce, gluttony, greed, hate, hypocrisy, etc.) is because they can all relate to one another…they get it because they’re all affected by common “sins” of this world and don’t blink an eye since they have mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, children, etc., who all are not 100% of what Jesus teaches in the NT. However, when it comes to homosexuality (a word that didn’t even exist 200 years ago but has been since equated to so-called homosexual passage in the Bible), most heterosexuals in the church can’t open their “heart” to others as they have to their own acceptance of people who actually commit specific sins in the NT. Why can we accept specific sins with no question in heterosexuals but not accept someone who is gay when the Bible is very vague about this subject. We really do have to be 100% right in everything else if we are going to even think about judging homosexuals. It doesn’t make sense otherwise, so just take a look at your own family and friends in the heterosexual church first and determine what they’re not following as far as Jesus’ words in the NT. Why isn’t your heart open to everyone instead of people who meet your own definition of “right” in God’s eyes. Nobody’s ever going to be 100% right, so don’t judge.

  35. My13cents
    September 18, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    To say the term Homosexuality didn’t exist until the last 150 years and therefore the bible doesn’t speak AGAINST homosexuality is very shallow and flawed reasoning. What does the word homosexuality mean ? – “A man lusting after a man”. “A woman lusting after a woman” …. leaving the natural use of the opposite sex. There is NO DOUBT about what Romans 1 is saying: “Homosexuality by any name” is a sin. Again, there is NO DOUBT about that … there is only DENIAL.

    Stay in denial, have your conscience seared, pay the price – eternal separation from God. That is not a statement of hate. It is a statement of Truth.

  36. Andrew
    September 18, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    I think the people that Jesus despised the most in the NT were the Pharisees. They look a lot like many of the people in the church today: Like the Pharisees, they pray, are very well-versed on the scripture, and despise anyone who is unlike themselves. As My13cents has relayed, he or she is only concerned about whatever “homosexuality” is but is in denial that he or she is playing in to exactly what Jesus despises the most. What do you think Jesus was writing in the sand when He was speaking to the Pharisees? Do you think it might have been their own sins as they were spewing hate and rejection for other people unlike themselves?

  37. Gregg
    September 18, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    I was trapped in the homo life style until age 37 (17 yrs)and God lead me out. It required much obedience. Even stopping materbation to a crawl… but Jesus saved me and used me. I was married 7 weeks ago and really happy and enjoying sex. Guys you can be set free!

  38. Gregg
    September 18, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    PS. I have been saved 10 years before I got married and yes the enemy tries to temp me still, but its barely there, and I would never trade this holy life Jesus gave me with a nice wife, for what I left behind… it was a lonely homosexual hell and I lived all the NYC highlife and still was empty til Jesus helped me.

  39. Ricky
    September 18, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Jesus also told the woman to go and sin no more!

    2nd Cor 5:17–Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

    If you believe you were born gay than when you
    became saved the old man died.

    2nd Cor 6:17–Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
    18: And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    Luke 16:18 says–Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

    Ray Boltz and Pastor Jabowa both know that there is sin involved in the actions taken here. No God fearing person should ever condone sin and the fact that acceptance is being preached proves satan has a foothold in Homosexual friendly churches.

    I am not saying that these churches are the only
    ones to invite the evil one in. Sadly every
    Christ centered church at some point has opened
    the door to the devil and said come on in.
    It always comes with a price. But know this that
    if these churches are truly Christ centered, than
    God will chastise them as a father chastises his
    child that has gone astray.

    Heb:12:8: But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    Yes we MUST preach that homosexuality is a sin
    and leaving ones wife to pursue selfish lusts
    is plainly condemned without argument. We must
    also remember.
    All must be done in love, without which all other
    gifts and actions are useless.

    1st Cor 13:

    May the God of Peace guide Ray as he moves forward in a very misleading and dark world.

    Lk:6:39: And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

  40. Sean
    September 18, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    I find it appalling to hear people dismiss clear scripture saying that homosexuality is wrong. It also says they will not inherit the kingdom of God. Just read 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Actually, the King James version says the word “effeminate” which in the dictionary is having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner – in the place of “homosexual” used in other versions, then it adds “or abusers of themsleves with mankind” where the NIV version uses the word “sodomites” … we all know what that means.
    There is hope at the end of scripture if repentance takes place. Anyway, someone mentioned that ultimately truth was important. Wrong, Jesus is the truth, he is also the word. Remember, he needs to be repentant and to turn from his wicked ways.

  41. Gary
    September 20, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Jesus said: “From the beginning God made them male and female. For this cause shall a MAN leave his father and mother, and cleave to his WIFE; and they twain shall be one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. And Jesus said unto them, Whosover shall put away his WIFE, and marry another, commiteth adultery against HER. And if a WOMAN shall put away HER husband and be married to another, She commiteth adultery. MARK 10;6-12. (I know some of you will try to overlook this, but remember, on judgement day, we will ALL stand before God and give an account of the deeds done in our own bodies-God will say “WHAT DID YOU DO WITH MY WORD?”

    Now, if you dont want to believe anything in the OLD TESTAMENT and Pauls writings about it, please believe
    what Jesus said.

    See, it is very simple. It is impossible in Gods eyes
    for a man to be married to a man. WHY? Simply put,
    marriage in God’s eyes, is when a man and woman unite
    bodily(they become one flesh). It is absolutely impossible for a man to do that with a man. Even Jesus knew it and confirmed it. You will either believe the Word of God, or you will die in your sin!

  42. A Dunkirk Resident
    September 20, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    I personally know Ray Boltz. He started his career in the Methodist Church in Dunkirk, Indiana. He was always ashamed to menion he was from Dunkirk because it was a small town. He did not start out in a little country church like his bio states. In fact he and his family caused so much of a rift in the Dunkirk Methodist church that it split the congregation. Now he comes out as homosexual. He knew the score he knew he would not make his millions if the truth were known. Now he wants to retire. Already has the big bucks no use maintaining a lie anymore. He is a hypocrite pure and simple. He know the life style he leads is wrong. He know what the Bible states. He was not raised that way and he know the difference from right and wrong. The bible says to brust the dust from your feet and walk away from those who commit sin and are not repeatent. I mhave done so from Ray. RayI knew you when you were just a boy, we wn to school togeather. I knew you as a teenager when you attended the Methodist Church in Dunkirk. Pastor Tobias taught you better and you know it.

    A Dunkirk Resident

  43. September 20, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Dunkirk Resident,
    I don’t know Ray personally, but I am friends with people who grew up at a church up here in Northern Indiana where he attended. The church was very legalistic, and fundamentalist, to the point that they didn’t want their congregation to go to the doctor. I am certain that he would have been kicked out of that church if he came out. However, I also wonder if he was even gay at that time, if so, it took a lot of guts to attend a church like that, feeling condemned all the time. I’m curious to find out when he “switched”. I have a gut feeling it was after he was married, or else why would he stay at all these churches for so long?

  44. September 22, 2008 at 12:28 am

    Choose the sermon on homosexuality. It’s very good. The pastor explains what the Bible says about homosexuality, the dangers of condoning sins in the church, and how the hostility that Christians show to gays is wrong. Love the sinner, hate the sin, whatever sin it may be. Please listen. It’s worth the time.

  45. amazed
    September 22, 2008 at 4:10 am

    Reading all these posts are SAD! Do some of you even read what you’ve written before you put it out there? I’m certain Jesus wouldn’t be blogging about how much of a sinner someone is, he’d be out there loving them. Leave matters of the heart between God and Ray. I’ve seen our church condone slavery while condemning interracial marriage, women in leadership etc… and this was not TOO long ago! Let’s not deduce God and His plan into our own meager understanding of this world. I’ve heard too many horror stories of homosexuals who have been rejected by family, friends, churches, society, etc… turn to drugs and sex as a way to cope, then we DAMN them for being there! I’m not suggesting that all gay people turn to drugs and sex, but we have a responsibility to Love, Love, Love as long as we are going to proclaim the name of Jesus in our lives and actions. We make this so cyclical and that is why change takes time. Take the time to learn, be slow to speak and quick to listen, and I bet we won’t be having these conversations years from now and in the future, will look back with the same disgust as we do with our past mistakes.

  46. September 22, 2008 at 7:05 am

    Jesus called people’s sin as sin, and told them to sin no more, in love. The truth of His words changed people.
    How do you suggest that we, as Christians, with the high calling to tell others about God, sin, and how sin is separating us from God, and will lead us to hell if we don’t repent and believe in him…how do you suggest we do this, without explaining what sin is? You talk about hypocrisy in the church. Of course there is hypocrisy in the church! NO one is perfect. What I believe most have pointed out here is that a clear sin, as defined in scripture, is being CONDONED by churches, and by Ray Boltz, and a lie is being spread about this sin being okay in Christian circles. I think Paul, Jesus, and the other apostles would have fiery messages on this subject. Jesus spoke about the Pharisees with passion, and righteous anger! Not in hate, but in love. He was, in my opinion, hurt by the lies that they pawned off as religious fact. He overturned the merchants tables in the temple, and openly rebuked them in public! I don’t think we should go that far, since we aren’t God and aren’t perfect, however, that is how Jesus dealt with sin.
    So, would you just have Christians overlook this, and allow God to judge on His own, and to convict sin on His own? Or do we have some responsibility to spread Truth?

  47. Nancy
    September 22, 2008 at 11:11 am

    I have listened to Ray’s music for many years and my husband and I have used his music in our singing ministry for several of those years. “Watch the Lamb”, has become a tradition at our chruch for him to sing on Good Friday. This news about Ray saddened me to the core. Yes, there is not one of without sin, I struggle with it everyday, but as a Christian we have a loving God that helps us restrain it. I do not hate the person, but I do hate the sin. The Bible couldn’t be any plainer. This only shows the dark times we are living in. I do not feel sorry for him, but I do grieve for his wife and children. I will never understand why the “gay” community feel the need to “come out”. I don’t have the need to tell everyone I am hetersexual. He should have kept it between his family and God. I will pray that his eyes will be once again opened and he will realize this isn’t a lifestyle glorifying to God. And Ray, God did not make you that way. We were all made in HIS image. I have been praying and asking God’s guidance as to whether we should use Rays music in our ministry anymore, that’s one thing that saddens me the most. He has some wonderful songs that touch so many lives, but I’m not sure where his heart was when he wrote them.

  48. Jeff
    September 22, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    It’s not the fact that Ray has homosexual tendencies that I have a problem with, it’s entirely possible that that is how he was born, just as some are born with urges to hurt people,have sex with children, sleep with every woman they see, set fires, etc. It’s what you DO with those urges.

    It doesn’t even bother me that he has had homosexual encounters, heck, I’ve done LOST of sinful things. If I had cheated on my wife (I never have, but I suppose it’s possible), that’s one thing. But to come out and say, “Hey, I’ve cheated on my wife, there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s the way God made me. I’ve found a church where everyone says it’s OK to cheat on your spouse”, is an ENTIRELY different story. It is embracing your sin, justifying it, and holding it up as a virtuous thing.

    If my vice were beastiality, no one would object to someone saying, “Look, Jeff, that’s wrong. You need to spend your life praying to God to give you the strength not to do that.” Most everyone would agree with that statement.

    So, Ray, I’ll say the same thing that I would say to any Christian artist with problems with sex…

    I know that you have these sexual urges. You need to spend your life on your knees, praying to God that He will give you strength not to do that.

    I know I spend my life praying that God will keep me from doing sinful things, and I’ll pray for you too.

  49. September 22, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Actually the fact remains that most of scripture is twisted misinterpretated anyway

    No one can prove its from God so who gives a crap what people do in their own spare time.

    No amount of christian teaching is doing anyone a lick of good in this world

    And finally its collapsing in on its man made self

  50. September 22, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    I’m assuming, after looking at your website and reading your comment, that the God you are pursuing is not the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible. Is that a fair statement? Because if He is who you are pursuing, then you would have no problem finding a myriad of teachings by grounded, bible-believing ministers that don’t misinterpret or twist scripture. Apparently you either don’t believe in the Bible (and therefore would be able to teach yourself apart from “christian teaching”), or don’t believe in absolute truth, which seems to be the case after perusing your very tolerant and all-inclusive faith based webpage.

  51. Anonymous
    September 22, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    As I was reading the comments made by the homosexual “pastor” and other unbelievers, I was thinking, “It’s astounding to think of what this world will become as soon as the Holy Spirit (who indwells true believers) is removed at the time of the rapture of the Bride of Christ?”
    Men who have wanted to have it their own way will finally have it their own way; and what destruction and decay there will be.
    The day of His return is at hand!!
    Watch! Look up! Your redemption draws nigh.
    Seek Him while He can be found!

  52. Anonymous
    September 23, 2008 at 12:01 am

    I don’t like the phrase “he told the truth” being used…yes, he told the truth about his struggle which is admirable but to say “the truth” is that he is gay is incorrect. I have great compassion in my heart for those who struggle with this and I know the pain they must go through…at the same time, I know my God, the God of the Bible and He is not heartless…Jesus is able to deliver us from any temptations including this one. To say “he told the truth” is to say that people are born this way and God chooses to reject the unfortunate ones who are.

  53. Anonymous
    September 23, 2008 at 12:03 am

    May I add to the above comment that I do not believe that is the message you are trying to convey, I think your intentions are very clear and I appreciate what you’ve said!

  54. Sue
    September 23, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    Pastor Jabowa, Just because people think the “gay” the life-style is an abomination unto God (Romans Chapter 1:27) and is morally incorrect doesn’t mean they hate gays. It means they hate their lifesyle. Gays are loved by God, He just hates their “sin” and wants to deliver them from it. There is a big difference in the two. Just because you think it is okay to be “gay” doesn’t mean God thinks it is. He don’t care about YOUR opinion. God only cares about HIS opinion and we’d better follow what He teaches, not what we think is okay. Remember, “Many are called but “few” are chosen.”

  55. Sue
    September 23, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Nancy, my sister and I was wondering also where Ray Boltz’s heart was when he wrote his songs. Was he living in secret sin back than? Who knows and what does that say for his music? Good questions.

  56. Megan
    September 23, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Couple of quick comments before I get back to my homework (seminary studies). Sue and Nancy – please remember that the messages of the songs are the important part not the author, etc. When Switchfoot came out denying that they were a Christian band, I was tempted to throw out all of their albums but there are good messages on them. Songs like “Thank You”, “Watch the Lamb”, and “The Anchor Holds” remain good songs and we trust that the Holy Spirit who inspired them can continue to work through them today.

    Also, in my church are two women who are living in a homosexual relationship. They do not make a big deal about it and, unless you knew the signs, you would not realize they were anything more than friends. I do not condone their relationship any more than I condone my own sins – lying is the most frequent one. I believe that people are people and everyone has their own vice and who am I to judge them? But, even though I cannot judge “them”, I can lovingly speak into the situation and name the sin for what it is – sin. It has already been debated, ad nauseum, as to whether or not homosexuality is a sin and I believe that everyone knows what the Word says but that hearts have been hardened against the Truth. I cannot judge Ray. I can judge his actions only. He is still a child of God, created in His image, but like Adam and Eve, he has chosen to believe the deceptions that will allow him to live the way he wants to. He has chosen to be his own god rather than follow the divine plan of the One who formed him and knew him, all of his days, thoughts, and desires. See God is amazing like that, its not predestination, its simply God being God. God knows everything that will happen because God is time-less, he is in all times at all times even the times that have not yet been. God was not surprised by this revelation and only God can see Ray’s future choices. Does God weep at the heartache and pain that has come about because of this? Absolutely, when His creation hurts, God hurts. BUT, and this is part of the hope in which we live – God’s strength and mercies are new every morning. Ray’s family will get through this on the grace of God. May God bless them on this journey and may God give Ray the wisdom and discernment he so desperately needs.

  57. Randy
    September 25, 2008 at 4:50 am

    The Bible is clear that this lifestyle CHOICE is against God’s will, in the old and new testament. You can try to make the Bible fit your own personal interpretation, but it is clear. Ray should go talk to Dennis Jerringan, who was living this life contrary to God’s plan, and realized one day he was sinning against his creator. He gave up this gay lifestyle choice to serve God.
    I am so sorry Ray has chosen this path and I will pray for him and for other people who have made this lifestyle choice that they will see their sin against God, repent, and turn their lives over to the Lord.

  58. Nancy
    September 25, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    I have read through all the comments and it amazes me how Christians can have so many different views of what the Scriptures mean. To be a Christian is to throw away “the old man”, and to live as a “new man”. The Bible tells us that many will confess to be Christians, but have never had the true cleansing given from God. A Christian takes the Bible as the infallible word of God. Read Revelation we are not to change one word. The enemy is such a clever deceiver. He can make anything seem of God if we keep looking hard enough. If our mind is not set of things of God, but of things of this sinful world, we will get a whole different interpretation of HIs Word. Our young people use Christian artists and our people in athority as roll models. So many men and women of God have fallen away in the past few years, athiests are trying to take God out of everything. This is one more thing to confuse them. Our society scares me. God’s word in time will be changed so much, true believer’s won’t recognize it. I do pray that Ray will turn his life back around. I do love him but I hate the sin. All sin, and even the sin I have to deal with daily. But, we do not have to give in to it. Nor should he.

  59. Kim Conn
    September 25, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Read the real BIBLE sodom and gomorrah was destroyed because of the sick sin. Homosexuality…… Get real don’t make my God into some person who makes mistakes. It is not from God it is from Satan……It is wrong.

  60. shawnbarr
    September 26, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    What a sad situation with Boltz. I do hope the Christian world will pray for him and also exhort him. Remember that we are called to exhort one another when we see a brother in sin. Here’s a fictional conversation between Ray Boltz and Jesus…


  61. September 28, 2008 at 3:24 am

    Truelly this are the Last days whwere men will leave sound doectrine and foloow falsehood am not shocked …the scary part is God will leave them to their lusts…and what happens on that day???????
    where will i spend my eternity jesus said if you lef causes you to sin remove it …many will say i dit miracles i did this and that but he will say ” leave me…i dint know you ” you may justiffy homosexuality the way you want but!! the wordof God remains standind its not about feelings its about truth …i all of us struggle with onething or another but justifying it isnt the answer

    Lets pray for our brother God is able to restore him and heal his family its so sadening

    as you said earlier he dint have to tell everyone WE DONT OWE ALL PEOPLE ALL TRUTH AT ALL TIMES its good to use wisdom and measure what that info will do to many souls that has been following him

  62. September 28, 2008 at 7:39 am

    I really like your statement “We don’t owe all people all truth at all times it’s good to use wisdom and measure what that info will do to many souls that has been following him.”
    It reminds me of when Paul talks about not doing something that you are free to do, if it will cause your brother to fall. In this case, this could possibly push other Christians struggling with lust over the edge to finally “accept” themselves, and live in their sin. A scary thought!

  63. Anonymous
    September 28, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    I was truly saddened to here that such a blessed and talented brother in Christ has succumbed to Satan and his temptations. This should be a reminder to all of us that we are constantly under assault by the Deceiver. There but by Gods grace… For all of those who accept this behavior and embrace it, all I can say is that we will all stand in account for what we have done against God. I pray that Ray truly had accepted Christ at on time in his life. I cant imagine that he could be responsible for such Godly and beautiful songs and his ministry over the years, and not truly be a believer. We all can sin though. Gods mercy and grace are never-ending,though, and I pray that Ray will be restored to the fold.

  64. veronica
    September 28, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Keep believing how you believe. It is great to see someone stand up for the truth. It is such a shame how our world is so into themselves, and have a blind eye, and a closed ear to what God had intended.
    You and your family are in my prayers. God Bless you. Keep the faith!!

  65. September 28, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Veronica, thank you so much for the kind words!

  66. Anonymous
    October 1, 2008 at 10:24 am

    i am an adulterer and i just want everyone to know it. i can,t hide the truth anymore. while im at it, i am also a thief. by the way i am also a lier. man it fells good to finally come out.

  67. October 18, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    I agree with u he is going to haveto give god an answer i do think it is biblically wrong

  68. Chase J.
    December 14, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    When you all get to heaven, I think you will chuckle about your attitudes expressed against Mr. Boltz here. In the spectrum of everlasting life, this is a harmless speck of dust. Those of you who are without blame, cast your stones. I just say bless this man who has blessed us by sharing his talent for so many years.

  69. Bob
    December 16, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    The arguments used here to support homosexuality are ridiculous. Substitute Pedophile for homosexual and you can come up with defending child molesters. You also don’t see the word Pedophile in the bible either. As for trying to make a case for homosexuality in nature, this too is a joke. Animals behave in a fashion humans don’t. They cleanse each other but don’t have sexual relations male on male or female on female. Sometimes dogs use what looks like a sexual act in a dominant fashion. Female dogs do the same thing which shows this not to be sexual in nature. Sexuality in animals is strictly for reproduction. Females being in heat are what drive their sex habits. Not for pleasure, like humans. If you can learn anything from nature, it is that homosexuality is NOT natural. As indicated in but the Old and New Testament, it is an abomination, unnatural, and unspiritual.

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